Both holsters always pack into camp with me. The issues penetration. It turned its head, but did not appear to see me growled and went into its death throes. Almost no one practices with bear spray and almost no one can get their can to bear (pun intended) and spray within 4-5 seconds. That winter, I shot a buffalo @ 50 yards with 300 grain federal cast core in a ruger .44 carbine. DRT. I shot a 1000+ lb. Something else. killed a mountain lion years back with a 3 inch 629, 240 grain hollow points, was not impressed. a Ruger Blackhawk, chambered in .45 Colt, stainless finish with a 7 -inch barrel. Can you shoot while on your back or while youre being chewed on? The .45 Colt has long been my favorite cartridge in the Blackhawk. My thought took advantage of this for their hike the following day. Ill try 180s on my next cat. There are some real men out there who have seen a bear in a zoo and have shot their 500 SW 4 times 6 years ago. The capsaicin in the bear spray will act as an irritant and will likely make the animal retreat. That was my initial question as well. I have a buddy who guided a hunter with a .50 AE to a brown in the late eighties when it came out and it was a disaster. Mountain Lion Attack Stopped by Man with Handgun in 2010, Teenager Sexually Assaults Friends Mom, Gets Rejected at Gunpoint, TTAG Daily Digest: Actually Shooting Someone, Ratings Kryptonite and the NRA in the Time of Trump. Hunters killed off mountain lions in the park in the 1930s but the animals moved back in during the 1980s. No matter what anybody says, Shoemaker got lucky with that 9mm on the bear. black bears The Creator has a great plan, and I do not really miss the dodo bird or the carrier pigeon. He veered off, probably because I stopped moving or smelled that I peed my pants. I read with interest the side arms in bear country. The next stage of the disease results in paralysis. Its getting to be real world, daily and wont get better until folks like us step up and step forward. The spent shell casings can end up lost in the grass, sagebrush, bushes, woods, You have to be a reloader or know a reloader to get this, but it is well worth it. For both wilderness/rural vs. urban/metro I cannot The recoil is quite severe for all of these loads and I cant imagine wanting or needing to go to the 460 Rowland! The hollow point would probably work against you with the skull of a mountain lion. My gun will push the strong 300-grain hollowpoints to just under 1,200 fps, and thats a formula that can end a confrontation. The Inuit hunters would wait at a breathing hole in the ice. I disagree one cant empty a glock into a bearIf that makes me a fool then I guess Ill continue to be one but I fire all those guns weekly having the benefit of a backyard range. Recoil is managable and porting helps, not like 454 casull or 460 mag, no, let me guess 500 s&w is the only option, the first pistol to come with wheels! Between 3- and 3.5-inch-wide tracks. It provides some seemingly good info, but some is just confusing and troublesome. Before all the Eco Warriors took over the various Forrest and land agencies. Perry can dispatch a coyote with a Ruger LCP you most certainly could do it with .38 Special +p or not and it will also kill a mountain lion. Carry the most powerful gun you can actually effectively use. "It is unlawful to kill a mountain lion without a permit for the California Department of Fish and . All silliness aside, this illustrates a challenge for a woods gun. thanx again. style bullet or a solid jacketed bullet with a large flat meplat no mater the caliber used. The local police department and/or county sheriffs office can also respond to mountain lion-public safety calls to a 911 operator. I took a 29 S&W 6 .44 mag. If you carry an effective caliber/bullet combination for 400+ pound bears, wild boars, and feral hogs, you are carrying way too much gun for coyotes and small mountain lions. Colt Magnum June 7, 2018 At 19:23. Mountain lion attacks often allow the victims a bit of time to access weapons. coyotes Hard cast bullet are the best for bear defense, they will penetrate like nothing else out there. It can push a 400-grain bullet to more than 1,500 fps, but I cant control it. They dont respond the same way as healthy animals. We see bears here and there I have never had to shoot one however I carry my Freedom Arms 454 Casull 7 1/2 Barrel. From the Noatak to Frazier Lake, Kodiak, Ive seen a lot of bears. 9mm & 38? Your 9mm, .38 spl. If you choose a 9mm in bear country, you dont want hollow points but maybe something like Lehigh Defense Extreme Penetratorwith its solid copper bullet. The shop will have something to shoot almost every time regardless of where you are. and I usually see a grizzly when I hunt almost within sight of Cody Wy. The Hodgden #25 manual does show loads for a 200-grain bullet using HS6, Trap100 and HP38 powders. Weve got them here in the Central Mountains of Utah. Id have gladly traded it for a snub-nose .38 Special. Remember one thing in Bear country. With speed loaders in the hands of a competent shooter, the revolver can be reloaded almost as quickly as a pistol. The best bear gun is, like the best cc gun, the one you have on you when you need it. About ten years ago I killed a threatening brown/black bear with a .357 from an SP101 snubby. Why are you people just bubbling so much is it because you need to say something that means nothen in the real world. The only explanation that I can think of is that it was pumped full of adrenaline. Absolute .357 Mag in a revolver for me is a minimum. My choice is the 500 S&W. Just holes. My two cents. That long pipe makes for a heavier gun, but Im OK with that because the additional sighting distance and small velocity gain are both appreciated. Oaf, that was funny! They want to second guess people. Its jackass. You'd be much, much better off with bear spray. I am 80 years old remember my dad had a meat market . I asked what type of Rifle he carried. I am thinking a 9mm semi-auto handgun loaded with 115 grain hollow-point bullets for two-legged and four-legged attackers up to 150 pounds or so and the .44 Magnum revolver with 240 grain softpoint bullets for everything bigger than that. What about a Judge or Governor, that can shoot .45 Long Colt or .410 shotgun shells? My buddy Marty Groppi who enjoys the famous trout streams of Upstate New York carries a Smith & Wesson Model 29 in the classic .44 Magnum, a combination that will most definitely save your bacon. Some of the 480loads tested in wet newspaper penetrate further than 338 win mag, with a fraction of the recoil, which means quick and accurate initial and follow up shots. In states like California that have outlawed hunting of mountain lions they have become increasingly bold in recent years and what was once common in ancient times i.e. Just my thoughts!! You will only have only one chance to prove fluffy wont kill you. Ive been privileged enough to take a couple of black bears in both Quebec and New York and have seen many more while at work and play. A large caliber handgun is a must. According to CPW, Colorado is home to between 3,000 and 7,000 mountain lions. Commander. With 158-grain bullets moving at nearly 800 fps, this probably represents along with the 9mm Luger the lower end of the spectrum, as far as a defensive bear gun goes. I often have to carry elk quarters out in the Bitteroot mountans, which is heavy populated with wolves, grizzly, black bear, and moose, all of which I have had numerous too close for comfort encounters where Ive had to draw down. And I do practice dry fire and shoot whatever is the cheapest ammo I can find around time. Ok Rambo ! With respect to the brownies, I have reached out to the bear guides, residents and hunters for their wisdom and experience on the matter, to find out exactly which sidearms they favor and why. Will a 9mm or 38 spl kill a bear? A single bite around the throat from a mountain lion can be fatal to prey . Mountain lion facts. Alfredo Gonzalez, 60 . The third racoons I shot was hit behind the heart lung area with a 7.62x 25 , it flinched from the shot, turned, growled, and continued towards a timbered embankment and possible escape. The buffalo bore 350grain fmj punches through 20 pine boards on a youtube vid. However, two of those incidents resulted in fatalities. No semi-auto makes the grade except perhaps the .50 AE, but most ammo for that fails due to bullets. The study found that adult male lions were more likely to kill less but bigger prey than females. Fortunately the latter emptied his 4 Smith and Wesson Model 66 The 357 mag is much better then the 40S&W as well. But Garrett makes a round called hammer head. The ultimate outcomeof this predatory performanceisn't clear, but watching a puma stalking a pair of bull elk makes for an unforgettable sighting. I used them for too many years to be so. No bear or cubs life is worth a human life. Not an expert by any means, just always loved the horribilis in the name, denoting the end result of chance meeting with an angry Grizzly in a dark alley. A starting load of 3.9 grains was decided on, and the first rounds were loaded up. shop reading and start thinking. I can say the 41 is probably my minimum for the big bears. FMJ. This may not have been a great time for firearm but it begs the questions: (1) What's a good caliber to stop a cat at 3 - 20 yds, and (2) what kind of round (solid, hollow point)? The photos are nice, but all the ammo photos are of hollow points, and I have substantial doubts about the value of hollow points against bears, especially grizzlies. Curious if anyone has evaluated any of the older Cold War Warsaw Pact pistols. But .380's tend to be small handguns, and with a mountain lion if it's within the accurate range of a small pocket gun you're likely already dead. Now that is change of Biblical proportions. Look it up. People started carrying bear spray in that area. A single action handgun is not a good choice as a defense weapon in any scenario. All of these four-legged animals that have attacked humans are in my state: Big bears do not get big being stupid around people. And maybe just maybe you walk away on the top side of the ground. Not to be the asshole of the crowd, but a Grizzly is an Ursus arctos horribilis as opposed to just the Ursus arctos, or Brown Bear. Note on BLACK BEARS they have become highly predatory in Alaska. A large bore hot load can be a challenge to control and difficult for multiple shots, while something like a 10mm in a good semi-auto allows for powerful rounds and multiple shots rapidly fired on target for many. I dont care if my hand probably wont wrap around the grip. 44 mag or most any other caliber in those ranges if the person using it knows how to shoot. 300 grains is on the low end for 50ae. Between airlines, public transportation, hotels, ferryboats, etc. First you start off by saying a Judge or Governor is not what you want for bear country, then end by saying you carry a Redhawk in .45 Colt for bear. She hid, and downed it with one behind the ear at very close range, and followed up with five more (all the bullets she had) to make sure. No, they dont. I know there are some folks out there that carry handguns in the bush, but in a dozen years I didnt meet many, either agency folks or sportsmen. I call BS. 99% of surviving a bear attack is having the brass to stand steady enough to make a good shot. Penetration tests have shown that load to penetrate almost exactly the same distance as a standard hardcast 44 Magnum load. But, he says, for now, money is tight and he likes his old service size S . Just aim above the front tire, through the fender taking out the engine block. Even if the game warden had survived, he I have a short barrel S&W 629 that Ken Kelly modified. Further.. having been in life threatening situations .. having a myriad of tools to choose from.. Is just not always a benefit. He has 158 grain, cast SWC and SJSP flat point, +P ammuntion that are showing 890 FPS muzzle velocity on the boxes. What do you know! Yes I admit, Im a revolver person. These were not accidental sow with cubs, surprised a bear in a dumpster, etc. Carrying a .38 snubbie in bear country is roughly akin to wearing a sandwich board that reads FREE LUNCH! Theres no chemical on this planet that will stop a determined grizzley, only a fool would bet his life on an aerosol. Colorado Springs, Colo. The craggy mesas and sagebrush valleys of the West have a wild horse problem. For more information about Federal ammunition, click here. He lives every day with brown bears and has guided to dozens if not hundreds of them. Although, for me, the closest I want to get to a rattler is a 44 mag snake load, preferably my Judge in .410 7 shot. It took two more rounds to bring it down, running about 60 yards. They are not fun to shoot, not fun to carry. Sheep and goats are the most commonly killed domestic livestock, but mountain lions also kill cattle, Yes. As most readers are probably aware, a cougar (aka mountain lion) attacked a couple of mountain bikers in California last month [ Outside Online News: January 9 . Next post: AFLoader, the Automated Universal Pistol Magazine Loader, Previous post: Waterfowl Artillery: CZ Swamp Magnum, Your email address will not be published. Carry to fit your states wild life? Methinks your anti-Judge/Governor bias is showing. The Freedom Arms Model 83, in .454 Casull, in a serious piece of gear. Ultimately, some gun is better than no gun, and too much gun that youre unable to get proficient with is a problem. In my penetration testing I also included a 30 Tokarev as from my experiences in Vietnam I knew they were great penetrators. pistol. What I really love I the light weight of the Blackhawk, its great in a shoulder rig. I found it on the Internet in a read only document. Im paraphrasing a bit here, but I once read an article by Bill Jordan about a new Weatherby rifle he was about to take on safari to Africa. Nothing prepares you for the 700 gr hardcast, but Im counting on the adrenaline to kick in. I carry a 10 round 9mm when bow and black powder hunting in Black Bear country. Next up is 44 magnum, I have 2 LAR Grizzly 44 mags, which as most of you know are simply enlarged 1911s that shoot 44 mag. I wonder how much penetration that will make on a bears skull? ; Dog breeds that are large, powerful, and possess protective instincts, like the German Shepard, are excellent dogs to have . At least .40 caliber, 300 grains and 1,000 fps. the sidearm nicely supplements the rifle, as a companion piece. All good options. Ive reached out for three gentlemen all of whom I call a friend for advice and a few experiences regarding their encounters. 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