Since this is two months beyond the window provided by BMW for the extended warranty, are the chances that my car will experience this timing chain guide failure highly unlikely? Example: 180101 or 1B9308 or 30FF Enter fault code Emissions Standard I just can't find a procedure on removing the valve cover and locking down the cams. F020-13-07-506 for the F3x has reduced power output. but after 3-4 minutes these fault codes with a message -Drivetrain problem comes in the display. I have NO idea why haha, but i have a brand new tranny for it and got it installed by the dealership, been about 7k miles since that. BMW Fault Code Lookup Enter a BMW fault code (P or hex), complete the Captcha, and click "Search" P-Codes will start with a P and are usually generated by generic scanners. Hello guys this post is really helpful , i own F22 2014 220i gulf specs its in the middle east the car has been serviced in the agency and never been informed about the chain issue , should i be concerned ? Maybe not as loud as before but still noisy. He said he didnt see anything wrong with the oil circulating in the car. I called the mechanic he said it was a fault related to the emissions. I have the alignment tool to lock the crankshaft, camshafts and impulse sending wheel. The timing chain & guides are bathed in engine oil, not fuel. Loaner vehicle was included. Other Repairs Even though work time labor operation code 61 00 006 ends in 006, it is not considered a Main Ok heres another vanos unit off a 2011 328 N51 engine,,,,this is the intake vanos unit that is now in several pieces,,,,the customer was just driving on the highway when the engine just lost power. The actual degree values for both varied by a few degrees and the actual angle shown is my average value. Warranty. The car has 176,000 kilometers or roughly 110,000 miles. Or do you think its just possible plastic bits of junk in the sump pump pick up? As there is a known TSB and the solenoid is VVT. with the following integration levels: And is the tension just spring our does it rely on oil pressure as well? F31 I know impulse sending wheels and camshaft they need to be lined up using a special tool. I have maintained it meticulously. he said, he need to take out the valve cover to check the timing chain, tensioner and cam shaft. The crank pin to hold at TDC goes through the tiny hole pointing to the rear of the car by the catalytic converter, the only thing this would be able to hold onto would be the flex plate/flywheel. Could this be the timing chain? I couldnt tell based on reading the comments and such, should I call up my BMW dealer ASAP to get this fixed? Other engines may have this same scenario, but it's not typical. What about the Timing Chain Sprocket, does it have to be in specific position before tighten Vanos central valve?! Reprogram the vehicle ISTA/P 2.50.4 or higher. How do I approach the dealer saying I hear a noise and whatnot for them to fix it while it is still under warranty? Turbo engines are more complex and require several . Hello again, hope you having great day!! My 2013 X3 28i timing chain was replaced by BMW (no cost to me) in January 2019 at 107,000 km. everything in the vehicle works extremely well. Looked at my timing chain and there seems to be some play in the chain. Hi, I have a 2014 BMW 428i X drive coupe. Here the vehicle was driven only at SP98. Now im getting vanos inlet, outlet codes, along with vanos camshaft jammed for both intake and exhaust. Thanks. The production date of the car was 2015-11-17. My car has very low mileage (just under 40,000) is in excellent condition (although it does sit outside) and I love it, but the thought of a catastrophic engine failure on such an expensive vehicle with very low mileage is of great concern. three fault codes are Loss of power and smoke on the exhaust when accelerating. Im more concerned with the multiple vanos codes which happened after the fact. Hi I live in California and im planning to buy a used 2015 bmw x3 xDrive28i (F25) then I saw the this post. possible to remove the snap ring and take out the VANOS spool valve and clean it? https://www.bmwtis.net/tiscode/cgi-bin/bulletin.aspx?sie_path=/tsb/bulletins/htm_store/158 1/6/2014, Boy thats a old bulletin,,,,but yes this could be your issue,,,,you just need to check your integration level and make sure its below what is required. Engine 131501 VANOS, intake, starting from cold: Non-adjustable Tried test with ista for vanos solenoid test removed solenoid stiff does not move when activated. This time the desired angle was not a constant as in the previous tests. N20 vanos unit broken Posted on April 6, 2016 by bmwtechnician Ok here's another vanos unit off a 2011 328 N51 engine,,,,this is the intake vanos unit that is now in several pieces,,,,the customer was just driving on the highway when the engine just lost power. In sports mode, or when driving more active in doesn't come on. i am getting the following error codes on my 2013 BMW X3 (107k miles): Hello! I have a SULEV vehicle so its definitely an N20 engine. Thanks! The short version of this story is that the car is working now. THNX. 130304 Intermittent VANOS (variable cam shaft timing) exhaust: control fault, camshaft stuck You can't just bolt it up and clear the fault. The process of deleting the faults and restarting the car was performed many times. BMW X3 and X4 Forums | F25 (2011 - 2017) | F26 (2014 - 2017), Second Generation BMW X3 (F25) General Forum, https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/fshaft/HtiBPV3K, https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2053485-8362.pdf. Next day scanned and found codes 120208 (charging pressure control, plausibility pressure too high) and 120408 (charging pressure control, deactivation: pressure build-up blocked. Understandably, many purists were unhappy with the Bavarian manufacturer's decision. The extended warranty runs out in December. 130104 VANOS, intake, control fault, camshaft jammed I assume that the f31 328i RW could also be affected ? Did they use a different timing chain guide before 06/2012 ? as suggested by dealer over phone or something else? Page 3 of 4 Just replaced timing chain and oil pump module on n20 13 528i xdrive. test drove car, get a few codes. No one knows what this CDA904 code means. One or more of the following faults is stored in the Note: When the ISTA system message displays: Battery voltage only XX.XX V. Please connect The I-level is newer than the I-level specified in SI B12 15 13. I was told by a mechanic that the engine was done, simply by information from a scan. Opened oil pan and checked pick up screen. By any chance do you know how long will the dealerships receive this extended warranty info after the case settles? Code 131501 Variable camshaft timing control VANOS intake cold start- not controllable Cost for the strap $7.49. repairs to the engine valve train assembly. E84 The car has lost complete power and now I the drive train malfunction light on, engine light on, low oil pressure light on. Your email address will not be published. Jul 8, 2020. Common Symptoms Increase in fuel consumption Poor engine performance Possible misfire on start-up Cold start issues Possible Causes There are several possible causes for this code, such as: Damaged camshaft position sensor Defective crankshaft position sensor It idles fine and sounds much better than before. Dash lights up with transmission gear exclamation point and lift ramp both in yellow. Thank you in advance. Looking forward to the return of your blog. are the codes it wont start i have a timing chain set on the way have you seen any of these engine survive after If I reach my finger in through oil filler cap with the engine off and cold, is it normal for there to be some slack in the timing chain on an N20? The oil was black though. Maybe a stupid question but I noticed the f31 328i xdrive is mentioned on the form but not the rw ? the battery charger is required to be attached before performing the Vehicle Test. Your really helpful : So how do I know when its time for a update. 2013 BMW X1 E84 WITH N2O MOTOR 11400ML Charging pressure control: Switch-off as consequence Example: P1055 Hex Codes are typically given by more advanced scanners. I realize that a limited amount of fuel can get into the oil as part of the combustion process, but I cant imagine that small amount breaking down plastic. designates changes to this revision dtc are 131401 and 131501 . Hello BMW Technician, I have a 2011 BMW 535i with N55 engine. So I stopped at the nearest possible place and connected my reader to the car. 131501 VANOS, intake, starting from cold: Non-adjustable 131808 VANOS, exhaust, starting from cold: Position not reached . cover and expose some wires and by moving around stuff they was rubbing together and i had the battery connect at that time too.need some help please thank in advance, Ok,,,,you said you smell gas and black smoke out of the exhaust, and you have wiring harness damage to Dinan piggy back,,,I would think this is your problem the harness is damaged and can be causing your problem with the fuel injectors dumping to much fuel into the engine,,,you can remove the spark plugs and see if they are fuel soaked to verify this problem,,,,I dont know if you can remove the Dinan piggy back and put it back to stock.,,,I hope this helps, Update on my car was other human error wrong timing was locking the camshaft with lobs facing down, i correct it and veh stated up right away..THANKS for taking time to assess me. I bought a used 2012 528i with 109k miles about 4 months ago. You could remove the valve cover and get a friend to hold tension on the chain while you change the tensioner, but its not exactly a quick job. Thanks for responding. Just to be clear, there are two different parts of the VANOS solenoids on the N20. 2D55 VANOS, intake, starting from cold: Non-adjustable What are related problems? Hopefully it will prove to be a non issue. and cam shaft are not in alignment any more. Yes go to the dealership and tell them about the issue and the bulletin. This turbocharged 2.0L inline-four was considered a replacement to the BMW N52 a naturally-aspirated, inline-six engine. I just purchased a 2016 228i xDrive Cabriolet (manufactured in Germany) with 46k kilometers for my wife. They also got me up to speed on the known timing chain issues, extended 7yr/70,000 mile extended warranty and class action lawsuit stuff. possible oil pump chain broken? 01-18-2020, 01:07 PM #2 mandd Autobahn East Join Date You should ask the dealer about it. Is there possible timing not to be correct on the intake vanos unit?! 'nhUO}gFXA}_+7"F.\ztVw@%/`>vny#(`YN:2ed_zI.. F30 Got it replaced for half of the price in warranty, consider also the timing chain replace if needed. N20 cylinder block is made of aluminum with two balance shafts and steel-plated cylinders. Covered under the terms of the BMW New Car/SAV Limited Warranty or the BMW Certified Pre- code:131501 VANOS, intake, cold start: not controllable. The 7 years/70000 miles extended limited warranty follows the VIN, so if the 2015 X3 is on the list, the N20/N26 engine will be covered. Did this on the intake side. your input is much apreciated, There a BMW sib 12 15 13 which says this problem is due to a software issue with the DME ,,,,you need to program the vehicle,,,,you can see the bulletin on the Internet. This Service Information bulletin supersedes SI B12 15 13 dated September 2013. Direksiyon kilidi/Kontak alteri BMW paralar 47738. Thoughts?? I personally know of one person that had a total loss on their X1 engine in Saskatchewan back in 2016 before BMW Canada acknowledged a widespread issue with the timing chain on the N20. I would like the tackle the Vanos issue first and go from there. Just need to clear the check engine light. How can fuel be the cause? The engine is running and seems to run pretty good although its still has that ticking sound that it had before. I thinks it just some random fault that comes up. Would there be a difference between our 2 continents with regard to production? Today I changed Chain tensioner as preventative maintenance, but soon I start the car, I got Drivetrain Malfunction. But that is all. SUBJECT BMW wont tell us why some models have problems and some dont,,,,it could be because of horsepower,,,,,you could replace tensioner if you want,,,,,it wouldnt hurt anything, Thanks for the reply i think its 220i and 320i uses the exact engine N20 my F22 2014 car now has 105000kms since its not in the list , in general what do u advice me to do shall i just keep my ears alerted to sounds or u advise me to take to service center and maintain the chain so i can save the engine ? WARRANTY INFORMATION 131908 VANOS, intake, starting from cold: Position not reached Location: Chicago. I have checked timing multiple times, I found this article online and this is what Im thinking right now!! one of the plug had corroded pins due to leaking pigtail from that Dinan harness and i got the DME clone. Im wondering do I need to have the 7/70 warranty to get BMW covered on this timing chain issue? Thanks from Sweden,,,,I never noticed that,,,,I would think the f31 RW would also be affected,,,,nobody understands this list from BMW there are a lot of car that are not listed with the same engines,,,BMW never told us why only these vehicles are listed on the bulletin. due to a low oil pressure and chain noise.now iam having inlet and outlet vanos dtc . ISTA says these errors: There were no faults. my mechanic had replaced the both the vanos solonoids and cleared the faults. Yes, for mine BMW was due to a fault to the timing chain tensioner. and it seems like they are about to settle this case on 9/2/2020. Not a good sign, had the same thing happen on 2013 X3. F30 / F31 / F32 / F33 / F34 / F36 (2012 - current). 130108 VANOS, intake, control fault, position not reached or can I slowly unscrew the center valve and insert a new one? N20/N26 is an attemptof BMWAG to reclaim 4-cylinder glory from the past, e.g. diagnosis system checking faults) I still have under 70k miles and not reached 7 years. FM pistons with negative bias of piston ring are also installed in this motor. The intake cam had the following desired/actual degrees: 0/-8, -20/-20, -10.4/-10, -20/-20 and -10.4/-10. The oil and filter were changed along with the timing chain. This will likely be the first and last BMW I will ever own. Would you suspect this is more related to the software reprogram or is the timing off? What me be causing this? Also camshaft sensors also does not give any data to DME. Today I drove it 20 miles to several stores and it worked fine. 2011 BMW 535i [0.00] 535i drivertrain malfunction. Nic. Yes I have seen some engines survive,,,,it just hard to say what damage was done to the engine and how bad it is,,,,and is it worth fixing. They are similar to those that are used in BMW N55. Is it possible to remove the snap ring and take out the VANOS spool valve, spring and check ball for cleaning with the VANOS unit in the engine? I appreciate any input. My daughters 2013 survived. After several engine stop/start cycles there were still no faults. It has the N26 engine, factory warranty has expired. The oil and filter have always been genuine BMW. Hello there. No turnover on start at all. thanks, You might want to look at the timing chain on a N20,,,that can cause a lot of different problem, Your email address will not be published. Even if the engine is warm it still gives these same fault codes. I had to replace the valve lifters. I've done exactly the same thing and caused this issue by replacing the timing chain tensioner. But when I try to test VANOS data via ISTA it gives no data, only 0. My engine is N52 You could replace the tensioner if you like,,,you should be ok since your car was probably built in 2015.,,,,you could ask your local dealership on what they think about your car and the timing chain issue. Any thoughts!!! Some people say it could be related to timing chain but when I check the timing chain with a cold engine by hand it does not move. Usually the Vanos units lock in its default position when engine is turned off. Ive search, alot of people have it problem but no solution.It dont like bmw :). Hello and thank you for your various articles on the n20 engine. Tried to read live camshaft sensors read ista says that currenty no data is sent from them to DME. It currently has 165,000 km without any chain problems. if I have used the tool how it is possible no to be on timing ?! Whether the engine is cold or warm, the VANOS faults appear within 15 seconds of startup. I have a 2015 x1 with an April 2015 manufacture date. 130f11 96K views 5 years ago The BMW N54 and N52 typically have the most issues with this. My engine is N52 Now getting error 131501. Yes took off the valve cover 3 times so far. The values changed. Or turbo charger, Do you guys fix the issue ?! Specific eligible repairs may also be covered by the terms of the Federal, State or BMW Emissions My car has very low mileage, is in excellent condition and I really enjoy driving it, but this potential catastrophe has me concerned.Thank you for your time & expertise. 131501-VANOS inlet, cold start not consolable. But the solutions havent worked for me. Dealership and tell them about the timing off Service information bulletin supersedes SI 15! My timing chain and oil pump module on n20 13 528i xdrive plastic bits of junk in the pump. Cost for the strap $ 7.49 4-cylinder glory from the past, e.g, I this. Intake and exhaust snap ring and take out the VANOS solonoids and cleared faults. 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