I dont seem to have any of the problems the author mentioned, but I know some other folks do, so I count myself lucky. Notice the duller look of the newer finish for Glock pistols on the Gen 4 pistol. 1,476 views Aug 9, 2022 Gunfighter Canyon 357 subscribers 26 Dislike Today, we're talking Gen 3 vs. Gen 5. I added the mag extension which drastically improved the grip for me. Overall I found that the G36 was not especially accurate given its intended role. EFK Spring with the buffered/dual action recoil relief per the EFK website shows 40% reduction of recoil which sounds good, especially with the snappy .40 S&W. I would not keep it without the +1 extensions it makes that much of a difference. I bought a Smith and Wesson M&P Shield 9mm a couple of months ago. My local Glock dealer is the local Glock store for the Blue label/tag program that provides GLOCK products at a lower price for retired military, police officers, foremen, etc. After Glock released the Gen 5 pistols - which had a suite of significant updates including new slides, frames, barrels and more - the Gen 4 models were switched to LE sales only. Why is that a selling point you may ask? Good stuff been using my Glocks for years and good to see a site for people to feel comfortable to get info they need without ot coming from a know it all attitude. Its a nice touch since most companies are now including only 1 or 2. A medium and large one are now in each box. Glock pistols of this generation added the finger grooves - some love 'em, some hate 'em - and the Universal Glock Rail to the dust cover of the frame. The release doesnt stick out further or just bigger around, it extends towards the back so it makes the push a shorter reach for your thumb. Returning to the southpaw shooter, the Gen 4 magazines have notches on both sides, so the mags will slide out. Only handguns I own that get uncomfortable to shoot. They are proven, without doubt, and truth be told don't really show their age from a certain perspective. in length. I know, some people absolutely have to save every dollar they can, and that's okay. If you are going to strip the gun all the way to the frame its going to be a little different than the Gen 3. Let me follow up on my last post regarding the Glock 36 being small the wife called me up and wanted me to join her and her girl friends out and about. 9mm Pistol, Gun Review: Taylors & Company TC9 1873 SA Single Action Revolver, Classic Gun Review: Marlin Model 39 .22 Lever Action Rifle. There is no way a larger recoil spring guide rod is going to fit into the smaller Glock 19 Gen 3 slide. The general idea behind it is still sound, but is at this point the G36 is significantly outclassed by other .45 ACP pistols in the same genre. Granted, some people don't like that as much; some pistols feel almost like the gun could double as a low-grade rasp and that's annoying. I dont like plastic, although if I were going to buy a Glock I would get one of the hi capacity 9mms, I dont like 9mms either but a pistol that holds almost a box of shells would be comforting. As with all Glock 19 generations, the Glock 19 Gen 3 and the Glock 19 Gen 4 retain their industry changing striker fire design. Install a 3.5 lb. I wear XL Gloves to give an idea of my hand size. As in all of these exclusive Glock 19 Gen 4 upgrades, size matters. Glock 19 Gen 3 and Gen 4 Dimension: Overall Length: Gen 3: 7.36-inch Gen 4: 7.28-inch Slide Length: 6.85-inch Overall Width: 1.26-inch Slide Width: 1-inch Height (including magazine): 5.04-inch Line of Sight (Polymer): 6.02-inch Trigger Distance: Gen 3: 2.80-inch Gen 4: 2.76-inch Glock Gen 3 Vs Gen 4: Similarities Trigger Pull Weight Safety I have never given a gun a one star rating in ergonomics before, but this one takes it. The Glock 19 is arguably the perfect combination between a concealed carry and a standard service weapon. Agree. Sure my Smith M&P 45 is more comfortable to shoot as it is a very nice gun but it is much bigger [more of a hassle] than the Glock 36 to carry. . Cool Mike! Have either worn or carried one (in a Camelback) hiking in Colorado for 20 years. Should you buy a Gen 3 or a Gen 4? Hornady Critical Duty 220gr +P950fps, 1.5 Glock Gen 3 vs Gen 4 46,425 views Feb 16, 2017 399 Dislike Share TheGearTester 30K subscribers In this video I discuss some of the differences between Gen 3 and Gen 4 Glock handguns.. I like it, its my bug to my full size real steel double stack 1911 that I also have no trouble concealing except when its damm hot and I switch to a .380 Acp for short wearing weather. Glock also changed the extractor so that it would stick out when the gun was loaded, thereby acting as a loaded chamber indicator. Florida Gov. The .45 has a large following in the US and an updated gun with the improved Gen5 trigger would sell extremely well. This part is compatible with the ejector used in the Glock 19 Gen 3 pistol and could be changed. Everything else is just not worth talking about. The medium back strap makes the grip the same size as the Gen 3. The heavier spring is designed specifically to not only manage recoil but to minimize abuse to the frame of the gun. Thats why I bought the Gen 4 as my second Glock. 2. The finish is the same on the Gen 3 and 4. This system is nothing new to Glock as they have used it in their sub-compact pistols for years. While completely and utterly late to the single-stack subcompact 9mm party, it still became one of their most popular pistols to date. You can hold it, sight it and be safe from the Glock pinch. just to guys with 2 diameter forearms. Not to start caliber wars, but I would just as soonmhave 40 with a stubby barrel as a 45 with a stubby barrel. You may love the new texture or hate it. The connector on the Gen 4 lies inside the trigger housing and has a modified angle in order to preserve the trigger pull weight of the Gen 3. On the other hand, some people just have to have the latest thing on the market, and that's okay too. Ive owned numerous G 9mms over the years and they are all gone. Some shooters report a slightly rougher trigger pull associated with the added bump on the new trigger bar. Very thorough information! To me the trigger feels better. The .45 ACP in this pistol just had way too much ass on it. People generally lean either toward love or hate when it comes to a Glock. At the time of its release in 1998, the third generation offered new features such as an accessory rail, loaded chamber indicator, thumb rest, and the ever-controversial finger grooves. Customize This * * * * * Ergonomics * I suspect that Europeans failed to grasp the .45 bore because they are still largely essentially serfs living under the will of their governments and as a result gravitated towards smaller, weaker rounds designed for deterrence and not self-defense. not for the Camp Perry matches. The first difference between Glock 19 Gen 3 and Gen 4 that many sees are the grips. After doing all the work to add a beaver tail and trigger parts to my Glock I just cant make the slide any thinner. While longitudinally smaller, the addition of the interchangeable backstraps for the grips create a weapon that ergonomically fits a larger range of shooters hand sizes. Have not experienced any recoil or issues getting back on target with the second round. Never a bad idea to sharpen the skills with good training. Even if you somehow got the Gen 3 slide onto the frame of the newer Gen 4 gun, there's no way the recoil spring guide rod would ever fit through. But this is not that. Once you get used to the trigger it makes the Shield look like sh**. Also, the Gen 4 frame as a larger channel in its bottom to accommodate the new, larger recoil spring assembly. That has happened more than once. However, if you notice a slightly rougher or heavier trigger pull on your new Gen 4 Glock this is one place to look at making an upgrade. I am thinking a glock 17 long slide, concealed in a long coat might be the ticket for winter carry. Thanks for the info Ben..and the rest of you guys! Ill be buying more of them. The Glock 36 is an excellent CCW weapon. I love teaching firearms and want the good people of the world to be able to defend themselves. I liked it enough to pick up a G30SF frame and make my own FrankenGlock G30s, which also did brief carry duty. Id be surprised if they arent already hard at work on just that. Would be in a world of hurt against a brown bear [a friend from Alaska said I should just shoot myself and get it over with] but other than that scenario, could handle pretty much anything else the Rockies could throw at me, the grip is too big, front to back? An interesting note is that they were introduced in a Euro-centric world where small bore pistols were the most common in the hands of police and military, 9mm chief among them. It's a small gun, with its overall length at 6.97 inches, and the slide is nearly the same length as the entire gun at 6.77 inches. But unlike RTF versions with grips that had needle-like checkering, Gen 4 uses flat-cone-like . I am really enjoying my Glock 48 (currently sporting a 43 threaded slide). I have a Glock 36 that was worked for grip size and texture. Sights: Polymer U-notch As you've gathered so far, the differences between Glock Gen 4 vs Glock Gen 3 are moderate. Because the release is bigger and further back makes it a shorter reach. Generation 3 Glock 27 (left), Generation 4 Glock 19 (top center) and Glock 36 (right). I bought a G36 early on, thinking it would be a lighter replacement for my Colt Officers .45. While the Glock was not the first polymer framed handgun, it was the first to be marketed in large numbers and adopted by not only the shooting public but the military and law enforcement. It was accurate, for one shot but followups were slow and sometimes required readjusting my grip. The differences are mostly cosmetic; no substantial changes really were made until the most recent of the Glock generations. Just in the event that the worst were to happen an the internal safeties failed, the firing pin would hit nothing but air. Yes, the Glock 36 is small. The Blue label program is a great service from Glock. Now THAT was a boat anchor. Para mayor informacin, visitewww.p65Warnings.ca.gov. Blackhawk Serpa CQC Hoster with Carbon Fiber Finish for Glock 19/23/32/36 (Gen 1-4) $61.95; $42.99; In Stock Style: 410002BK-R; Department . We dont belittle people and their thoughts here. After that the Glock 36 is just fine. I can see that you really have great knowledge in terms of guns. What you want to do with the gun and what size your hands are are very important to the process. Check out my podcast on the subject Handgun Triggers. It made the pinky pinch and shot-to-shot grip slip disappear. If I were to bite the bullet , and buy a Glock for carry purposes; I would probably cold carry it. I have Gen 2 and Gen 3 Models but the Gen 4 is nice. The size of the mag release button is nice as well. Compared to Gen 3 models, not including RTF versions, Gen 4 grips have a more aggressive texturing. difference at? The Gen 4 slide still will not fit the Gen 3 frame. The high recoil of most of the ammo coupled with the snappy slide movement made rapid shots, even at close range, difficult at best. It is nice to have choices. Along with all the standard models such as the Glock 19 Gen 4, the fourth generation of Glock pistols also introduced the Glock 43. Do you know of any heavy vests or long coats that are already designed for such a carry? Expand your knowledge and make educated decisions to Thanks for your opinions and commentary. Their products have evolved through modifications that let their handguns be recognized by generation. The G36 is the wrong answer. Not to mention, if the Glock 36 does jam, in the 99.9 percent of them that dont, and you have one of the 00.1 percent that does, it clears a jam faster than any gun that Ive shot. The accuracy is typical of glock (Its good) As accurate as any of my other Glock pistols. To me, it feels reminiscent of all Glocks I have shot. I am looking at a model 23, 40. Would I rather have a 9mm with a zillion round magazine to spray and pray the neighborhood? Give me a brick and some time, Ill break that, too. At the moment, Glock is still selling the Glock Gen 3 pistols as well as Gen 4 and Gen 5. 36. Its the mid sized gun and a great place to start. You have entered an incorrect email address! The Gen 3 mags will work in a Gen 4 so long as it is set up for the right-hand shooter. The GLOCK 36 presents grip ergonomics of the next dimension. The first couple emptied mags reminded me why I liked this gun so much years ago, and it really comes down to one unique feature, the grip shape. In fact, with the problems the guns had in the past, Id even say the new spring is one of the weak points in the gun. Not fun. Im a Glock guy but rather than the 36 I ended up going with the 30S -terrific pistol and for slimmer times the Shield 2.0. 99.99 percent of CC folks have never been in a gunfight you fuckin genius. But with my experience I have more confidence in the Gen 3s straight out of the box. I love this gun and would highly recommend it to anyone. During all that I also got a degree in law enforcement and went through two different police academies. Ive found that Im just as accurate and nearly as fast compared to the G19. I have no idea how you can carry the pistol to get slide bite. Nope. Either one will work the same. For a gun thats meant to be carried a lot and shot a little, thats okay. My advice to GLOCK not that theyve asked is to issue an updated variant of this concept in the way of the G43 or the new G43X. This means that not only with the Gen 4 not only shoot easier, but it will last longer too. However, there's just enough of a difference that it could definitely tilt you to one side or another if deciding between a Glock Gen 3 vs Glock Gen 4 pistol. This is a different pistol with the magazine extension. It to is homely but it can cook. To look at the GLOCK 36 today is to look at a stepping stone design. Street Price: $550. It was an entirely reasonable comment. I have a G36 and like pretty much everything about it, and Im not a Glock fan boy by any means. This is one of the features that moved Glock to the head of the pack. If you spend a lot of time at the range or are involved in a competition, you can easily see the value of this upgrade. One of the subtle changes is the magazine release. Fits nicely IWB with just a t-shirt. However, a lot of Gen 4 guns will be in and out of police trade-in inventory at various dealers, shops and so forth on the used market. The recoil spring was changed to a dual captive unit instead of a single captive spring. I get Glock Knuckle from both of them. Hot on the heels of the announcement of the new single-stack slimline G43X and G48, both of which are skinny little 9mms, I am going to take the time to do a rewind and look at GLOCKs first attempt at the single-stack slimline game: the .45 ACP GLOCK 36. So I go to where they are and find that the joint has security at the door. Have a G36. The choice made for the 36 was that it was a .45acp and a single stack for carry. Velocity is the average of ten shots and accuracy is the average of three, five-shot groups at 15 yards. The best load tested was the Hornady Critical Duty 220gr +P. Yours is not. He didn't fix what wasn't broken. The G26 offered a shorter handle with a two finger grip. I 100% disagree with this article. Shortest Pre-travel is achievable WITHOUT losing any OEM safety features. all have extensions. Got rid of the 36 in some long forgotten gun deal. In knowing which generation of Glock you have you can narrow down when it was made or at least when Glock started making them. If you have very small hands youll definitely like the Gen 4 better. Gen 4 guns have an updated trigger bar. It feels smoother and lighter to me. Its going to come down to personal choice and what you can find. Not good when milliseconds count. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Ive loved shooting since the first time I pulled a trigger at age 8. It is comfortable to shoot and its ugly. I have run nearly 100,000 rds through this gun. The limited capacity is another issue with the pistol. There are a few parts when it comes to Glock 19 Gen 4 upgrades that are compatible with the Glock 19 Generation 3. Thats really not necessary. Spray and spray hi cap 9mms? The Glock safe fire system renders the Glock physically incapable of firing in such a situation. Then you are looking and dreaming for an old west shootout from the movies. Well, there are a variety of factors to consider for the Glock Gen 3 vs Gen 4 debate. I bought my Glock 36 in 2001(DTH 194). The next of the Glock 19 Gen 4 upgrades to the grip was its texture. EDIT. Longslide models of the large-frame Glock pistols, including the 41 in .45 ACP and Glock 40 in 10mm. And a bonus its easier to keep my thumb off the side stop, so the slide always locks back after the last round. Probably due to the difference in for of the upper part of the grip and new texturing pattern. I havent done this myself (because Im afraid of messing it up). During high school I volunteered at my local PD where I learned more about handguns. Over the decades the Glock handgun has evolved with some changes being subtle, while others are instantly recognizable. Gaston Glock, who had no prior experience in gun manufacturing, was indeed an innovator. So buy the one you want and enjoy it. I believe the correct Gen 3 trigger housing pin is sku# 427 If you happen to be a southpaw or like to practice firing with your off hand, then the ambidextrous mag release is definitely a factor. New, that is. Ghost makes one of the best, but Apex makes one, and a couple others. I dont have a ton of dollars to buy what I really want so I buy what I need. I find the grip to be comfortable while I have large hands the grips fits me fine. Adjustable Pre-Travel and Overtravel Set Screws. Heck no. I am sure my wife could create such an article installed in a coat if I promise to limit my purchase for forever to just one more vital gun. You cannot take a Gen 4 upper and place it on a Gen 3 or earlier lower. I found that a snubbie is a real challenge for meeven at just 7 yards. Now have a Shield 2.0 45, like it better. They were introduced when polymer was still a relatively new material in the gun world and as a result they came out looking strange by comparison to what was standard at the time. Glad to see a review of the G36. A 1911 of similar size holds at least another round while being far more comfortable in the hand. The problems are from limp-dicking it. But there will always be parts for the Gen 3 and I think the guns will be made for a long time. And Ive shot a LOT of them. Good Luck! A G36 with a flush 5 round mag would be really useful to me, but without that Id rather have a Shield. GLOCK safety, reliability, and simple operation, all at an affordable price. Just got the G29 10mm and was wanting a nother carry with a little less recoil. Right before the introduction of the Glock Generation 4 guns, a limited edition of Gen 3 pistols was made - called the RTF2 or "Rough Textured Finish" - with a few different bits. I am looking at a Glock for in car protection and periodic concealed carry. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Thanks Daric! The attempt at making a concealed carry .45 ACP pistol was honorable on GLOCKs part. Your armchair sociology may have merit, but I suspect more prosaic motives are at work. I put and extended slide release and extended mag release, lasermax recoil spring laser and some better front & rear sites. A dual recoil spring can slightly change the recoil impulse, but only so much. The Gen 3 measures 8.03 in. Some just shoot what they brought. The Glock 19 Gen 4 upgrades are subtle, yet leap out at the same time. Additionally, a Glock's ejector is usually not a point of failure unless you are one of those lucky people able to run huge numbers of rounds. S&W did a great job on that platform for the 45. Another feature that the Glock Gen 3 guns lack is the modular backstraps. From holster to target. Thumb rests were added to both sides of the grip, giving it a bit of ambidexterity. New Grips, new night sights and a +1 replacement to the mags. The age of wood and steel is far from over, but the age of plastic has certainly been in full swing for some time now and lots of gun owners have grown to like (or at least appreciate) polymer pistols. I spent all of 2008 in Iraq again as a private contractor defending a base. So I set up my Gen 4 for use by changing the sights, recoil spring, and adding the Grip Force adaptor. The same holster works for the Glock 19 4th Generation pistol. I just prefer a 5 inch barrel for 45 acp to get max performance. The answer, like most gun questions, is that it depends. Full grip, single stack and a 3.5 to 5 in slide/barrel. Makes for an effective CCW that you can trust. Fits in some jacket pockets. Oh, by the way, do make sure the weapon is cleared before doing this, you do not want to become a statistic. 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